So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? I cant think of any big names in the UK but that doesnt matter there are plenty of gifted people within local churches. A lot of replies sound speculative . Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. We need a place to exercise our gifts, and to receive those of others connected to the body and functioning. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. At first I chuckled because it seems obvious to me that pastors who should know the names of those in their congregation. Im sure they could help. Will David visit me in the hospital if I am ill? He will show up on Sunday morning and preach about 30 or so weeks in the year. The Anyabwiles can draw a bigger crowd? PHD student. I have not seen that to be true in most churches with most Teaching on Sunday Elders. He will be the preaching pastor at McLean. It was all titles and nonsense. He speaks at the Southern Baptist Convention The pastor never spoke to me and his understudy said something goofy, like Isnt the sky blue today? There were a total of about 15 people at the funeral. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. It contains: praise to God, sacrifice to God, ministry to others, acts of kindness, loving one another, and many more. God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. I literally LOLed.. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. I appreciate so much the need for discernment and advocating for victims, but I dont see any crimes here, just a lot of fault finding where there really doesnt seem to be any fault. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. So while I dislike Platts platitudes in general, Ive no problem with him supply preaching for the church. @ Mandavilla: Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. And in most of these churches, members arent allowed to do much ministry either, because they have paid staff for that who make 4-10x more than the average member of the congregation. Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. Why do we all invariably say Ah, but you dont know my pastor, I love my pastor, hes different. Even assuming the best of him (or her), youre just flat asking for it when you set up any sort of king position that does not exist in the New Testament. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. I dont know if they have similar laws in Australia, the churches there appear to have the same penchant for the title. WebSpeech impediment, or speech disorder, happens when your child cant speak or cant speak so people understand what theyre saying. @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. Oh yeah-thats the guy who shows us how not to be crazy busy-now *pastor* of a lg church and seminary professor. If you are in Christ and have the Holy Spirit, then you ARE a witness and an ambassador. Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. Again, I ask, what exactly makes anyone think their fellowship is somehow going to do it better that the most humble man in the history of the world? Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? The church there is made of people like us; its not free of difficulties or personalities. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. What I see happening is horrifying. That sounds like a good first step, but its not a guarantee. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. Anointed preaching/proclamation is a big part of this witness. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. Could be. Other businesses in the area complained that the Coffee House was not a legitimate church service because it was designed to attract young people and compete with their businesses. Could you comment on that? Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. He said "Bill, this is Christ's body, broken for you." And, I dont see church life as being an effective way to keep theologians from getting off-track. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. Jesus called us friends not pets. I wonder how much time he actually spends with his wife and children . Theres always beauty in a cushy paycheck. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. @ Sopwith: Their incorporation into 501c3 could have serious consequences for them if they are preaching against government legislation (eg. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBOG8BRcdY. I came across the Disasko reference here. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. unable to endure sound doctrine of bitter, the roughage of whole bran, the artisan heavy-bread with its uneven texture and low-glycemic index but a lasting satiety which sustains the hungry soul! I wrote to one FIEC church elder who stocks books by Mahaney and he fobbed me off with I am busy at the moment I will look as time permits and that was over a year ago. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. I greatly admire the health in Christ you so earnestly convey and demonstrate. All believers have access to Jesus, scripture, and the power of the Holy Spirit. He turned to me and said "Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. Church Discipline Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. It was never my preferred choice, though. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. Everything is for show to make the congregation think theres actual ministry going on. As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. Tree wrote: And its the craziest thing ever. CJ Mahaney and Larry Thomsak (both names probably spelled incorrectly) were very instrumental in my early Christian growth with the TAG meetings in D.C. Really loved those meetings. You could pull a gateway and just pipe them in. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. And once fully addicted to the mind-blowing joy of preaching to a captive audience, who on earth wants to grub around in the tedious undergrowth of mundane serving of others? All the best! Thats interesting. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. it wasn't when we spent 10 years in inter city ministry and certainly not the 60 hour week my husband put in hoping on day his boss will finally honour his words and we can buy in to the company after using his name in a limited parntership where due to the financial mess of '08 we haven't seen a bit of profit but have had insurance go up 40 percent. its high time for change. Free Ride: Please, No Explanations Inside The MBC Church. They will know him just as well as his church will know him which is not at all. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? I think this explains the dislike many of them have for bloggers. He walks around to the tables, introduces himself and tries to get to know the customers. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. Could you comment on that? The lure of preaching reminds me a great deal of Solomons adulterous woman in Proverbs 7, luring a simple youth to his destruction. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. Prayer will lead the Church to Glorify God, Shouldnt we all be spending time with Christ, studying? @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Even if he does prep his own sermons . But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. But maybe thats just me trying to figure out how in the world the Odd Couple ever got together and why Dever sold out what he claims to believe so fervently. But now most megas treat their head/lead/teaching pastor as the answer to continued success as a church and I think its a reason for this very unhealthy obsession with Christian celebrity pastors. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. Not a clue. These pastors do a lot of fund raising in the USA, selling themselves as making a huge impact on the muslim world for the cause of Christ. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? Be Holy, for I am Holy! Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. And just in case you think that we are all sitting around on our duffs waiting for the pastor to do something, I want to reassure you that we are doing lots of things. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? aka T.U.L.I.P.) One can have a missions agency and not be a church. That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. Sometimes, the flock is so tired and exhausted that it goes for a happy meal or a snippet. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? You may think some of my nine jobs are questionable and others of them are controversial. It is a very odd collection of characters. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. Exactly. He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. No created thing compares to knowing Him. WebAt the minute 4:40, David Platt said that we [Christians at T4G] in a sinful world have blind spots that we cannot see on our own and I fear that I, that we, dont really want to see them. Then he used the text of Amos, and the idea of the sinful Jews described in that book of the Bible, as a parallel to the audience. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. It looks like it to me. The Church is there to train us, teach us. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. I wish I was left to be a layperson. Some things never change. Please let me know so that I dont continue to trigger you or others. As far as being a teacher to the world, I hope the world reads scripture, knows Jesus, and does not believe everything that comes from Davids mouth or writings. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. Those words are astonishing to anyone whos been around the SBC for years. But brother or sister, these nine jobs are biblical, and that is why they are so valuable.. Im afraid for our church. It is our reasonable service in light of Who God is. gained entrance to the respectable theologians club, and Dever gained a proven marketing program. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. WebDavid Platt Occupation Hairdresser Born 25th December 1990 Birthplace Weatherfield Residence 8 Coronation Street Father Martin Platt Mother Gail Rodwell Sibling (s) Nick Tilsley (half-brother) Sarah Platt (half-sister) Charlotte Platt (half-sister) Spouse (s) Kylie Turner (2011) Shona Ramsey (2019) Children Lily Platt (2013) Max Turner (legal son) As far as the east is from the west, false Christianity makes the big bucks these days in the land of the affluent for many have bought into the belief that Jesus came to make us healthy, wealthy, and prosperous. I offer this link to Lon Solomons 2017 letter to the congregation where he announces stepping down as senior and teaching pastor. He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to. http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, Has MBC been corrupted from the simplicity of Christ ? They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. He and his wife have 7 children. My friend tells me that people were really starting to grumble about that. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. Therefore, the playing field needed to be levelized by having the church comply with certain business ordinances. Remember that the word Pastor derives from the Latin for Shepherd, if these pastors were employed as actual shepherds they would be lucky to have any sheep left after a week, they would either wonder away, be eaten by wolves, would starve to death or dehydrate, since they seem to believe that they are only supposed to do one job and not deal with the other responsibilities. Or just not on Sunday morning. And often a committee wants Adrian Rogers in a church of 300. Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill Which is part of why I like liturgy; the sermon can be a dud but there is still substance in the rest of the service. Wife and seven children. He also is not going to get a salary for this new position. solution pollution Posts: 49. It has less than half the members and attendance it had when he came. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. Prediction: I bet he resigns from the IMB and this is the first step to getting his ducks in a row. After all, they could have easily marketed themselves, promoted themselves, and charged money at the gate to hear their Holy Spirit inspired messageswhy didnt they take advantage of people? My advice to everyone is to stop giving them money. Most pastor positions are salaried. David and his wife, Heather, have four children. For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. Last Thursday night, my church hosted a community hearing about a city street-widening project in the immediate area which affected them among others. As Teaching Pastor at MBC, Dr. Platt would continue the pattern of being with his family in this local church approximately 65% of his weekends. Improvements in administration were sorely needed and we have become better stewards. There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. He thought it might help me to understand what good seminaries teach about being a pastor. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. No longer do we judge anyone who looks as haggled as we do, thinking they are just too lazy to even get properly dressed. But what exactly do these terms mean? It is the body of Christ. While he did pastor churches in his twenties, once he launched his Evangelism ministry he never again pastored a church, even though almost any church would have offered him any deal he wanted, because he knew he could not be an Evangelist and a Pastor without shortchanging the church he was supposed to be pastoring. 7). @ Gram3: My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. Please keep up the good study. When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, IMHO Peter was doing evangelism, like Billy Graham, for example, and not pastoring. . Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. How many of our churches are creating spiritual diabetics? Many of us take seriously Jesus telling us to have no man as our father in that sense. Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. Its all part of the business. Thus, the model in the New Testament is shared leadership. Everything is predicated upon knowing the LORD! We dont know how intimately accquainted Peter and the other Apostles were with all the Jerusalem believers, but it sounds like their lifestyle would lend itself to knowing each other much better than todays mega church pastor. It so happens we know a couple hereabouts who spent several years living in Nepal indeed, but for a specific unforeseen family commitment (Im deliberately being vague as Ive not asked their permission to share their story) they might still be there. Also surprised MBC would go for this. . A vague reference to Samuels School of the Prophets is a weak link, but possible. God will make you into His image in the tent of meeting. Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. He will receive no salary. Running so fast, so frantically cramming his life full to overflowing, it doesnt seem as if there would be any time left over to listen to a still small voice, among the least of these. Bridget, Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? Both should be evident, though. 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