That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. Unlike the demagogues, real leaders will tell you to hold close. perhaps they are rather normal, but something about The Village Church culture made them feel like celebrity superstars with power enough to be immune to the rules the apply to lesser beings. It is so normalized it can obscure problematic behavior and tendencies, all hidden behind the name of God. What it turned into was mens ministry literally becoming invite-only (hello, Inner Ring), an extremely high turnover of other pastors/elders (hello, Celebrity Pastor disorder), and the church folding between the twin hits of founding/celebrity pastor departing and pandemic. THINK ABOUT THIS: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex. That is bad. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. But the World has moved on so to speak, and gray heads with many years of experience are no longer valued. ; the world; I Timothy 3:1-7). We exist only to Pray, Pay Pay Pay, and most important OBEY! How to Resign from a Church Straight out of Huxleys Brave New World. It came to light Tuesday that in 2016, Hunter Hall committed infidelity with another adult member of our church, which disqualifies him as an elder and staff member and he has therefore been removed from both of those positions. You only have to decide which branch to follow (Hyles, Sword of the Lord, etc.). Pastor Mark Driscoll. Penetrating and insightful. healthy human beings catch themselves at some point, and get themselves on a better track. Wimberley was the worship pastor at the Dallas Northway campus before joining Hall at the Plano campus. over 40 minors to choose from, UHCL has something for every interest. God will judge those outside. Yes, these men as individuals did these things. The original audience did find Falstaff funny. Max: I would be OK with following the Biblical principle of old godly men teaching young spiritually immature men for a season before they are released on the Body of Christ. Bill Decker, Executive Pastor. A common term that is used is, passing the trash. Its the message of cheap grace not costly Grace which gets folks in trouble. The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Unfortunately, the congregation was met with the heavy words of teaching pastorJamin Roller and the noticeable absence of their lead pastor, Hunter Hall. Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article.Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings, where young reformers pay their dues (idolize leaders buy their books, attend their conferences; tweet and retweet nuggets of knowledge from the masters; advance reformed theology in local communities; take over churches for the glory of the movement, etc.) . (I need to keep reading, but I am so sorry, I am so sorry) You probably have a myriad of questions, and we will be creating space for that, today and in the coming days. It may be better to screen for these traits, and that might be more possible if the candidates are people who are known to the congregation for a long time. They can be required to step back from ministry. I would say wife-swapping is a rejection of a socially established morality at least in my neck of the woods. Regarding james beamers comment about calling out the wivesyes their sin is disgusting but its the MEN onstage every sunday claiming to speak for God! of Church Safety/Accountability . What these two pastors engaged in was pure wickedness. A skilled mediator can help resolve your civil dispute out of court. The leadership has identified a handful of positive implications transitioning could have. ++++++++++++++. Their children were putting up a protest in another part of the house. Are you not to judge those inside? Its black and white thinking when people and institutions are quite a mixed bag . The Lovejoy tv character was less of a creep than the book character. rejection and threats of ostracization, let alone the fires of hell. If theyre not truly saved and they continue to refuse to put their faith in Christ, they will suffer for all eternity for this and for every other sin theyve ever committed. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? 4,660 listeners Page CXVI. The practice of Swinging/Wife Swapping is straight out of those pre-AIDS, pre-Herpes, pre-Chlamydia days of the Swinging Seventies. In other words, they keep candidates humble. before they move into the next ring closer to the center where the big-boys live, the ring from which all rings come forth.Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. Yes, and dont forget in churches operating under the beauty of complementarity, the men take the lead on everything. Never forget that Matt Chandler, who picked these losers (once again), is considered one of the leaders of the gospel boys. Im sure for some it starts early in teenage years/youth group. Listen free to Hunter Hall - The Village Church Sermons. I read NEEs post on Monday. If this teaching or movement is merely human it will collapse of its own accord. (Acts 5) The new reformation will fade into oblivion within a few years its merely human. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Pastor / Worship & Liturgy. This may only work IF your not the king in your own kingdom. Enhance your degree plan with a minor. A move to Colorado might put enough distance between what happened in Plano, TX & a new church opportunity for the Halls. But theres a system and construct that keeps leading to this sort of thing. When I learned that the chairman of the elders board at my church had been swinging with his much younger second wife (who had been coerced into it), had defrauded a church member and a person from outside the church, then committed insurance fraud a number of times (one of which caused an innocent fatality), it was shocking and sickening. Our diverse team of student and professional staff are here to help create a safe When the New Calvinism bubble breaks (it will), there will be tens of thousands of discouraged and disillusioned followers joining the Done ranks. Shes a real Swinger! "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex.. spacious community kitchen, study lounges, student-centered spaces, high-impact programs, Lewis wrote an entire essay on that, The Lure of the Inner Ring. It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. Looks like Carl *Low Shorts* Lentz has some friends out there. Swingin while singin Jesus is a song heard only in Hell. i mean, church culture messes with peoples personalities. This ensures that the PUBLIC knows about the reputation (good or bad) of the pastor and whether or not he is qualified to be an elder in the church. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism. That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. Serving Our Community Since 1919 . but, maybe they also study these matters in seminary? What we had here were two long-term staff members of The Village Church who were highly regarded, very popular and ready to be launched into an autonomous church body as leaders. Of course, they also went to public hangings and bear-baitings for fun. SWINGING PASTORS? ++++++++++++. And even told us, anyone who wanted more information/details to help process, their doors were open. The Lovejoy tv character was less of a creep than the book character. Theres something not right about pastors in their 20s-30s with a hand-picked elder team of same age controlling things. But to answer the original question: Chandler himself said he wasnt a fan of the multi-site campus idea, as he was concerned that if it continued, you would only have 10-15 pastors left in the entire country. there just werent a lot of charged issues. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). Men often assumed or spoke for me and other women. That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. . in fact, declares its biblical thus godly, holy, and what God commands. Where I live, mothers do still handle the greater burden of child care, but fathers are expected to pitch in as well. Sorry. Inexperienced and unproven, they assume Lead Pastor roles right out of the chute! Bed spaces It seems like seminaries and churches could do something similar. That was 30 years ago. From annual traditions like the Cultural Extravaganza, to faculty vs. student kickball Students often hang out in these areas to study or catch up with friends. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. The church followed through on their promise to support the two families, keeping them on the payroll for a short time. Under the cover of grace, they cheapened the precious message of Christ to the people under their care. We will do everything we can to walk with ever person impacted by this, not just now, but in the months to come.. Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article. They need to repent, then find another line of work. Agency intact. They have become Christians at The Village Church. Ryan Hunter. . Pastor Hall is blessed to have the support of his wife, Sis. Pastor Willie Hunter Jr. and Lady Shauna Cobb-Hunter, have been married over 20 years and are blessed with three children, Noah, Caleb and Leah. At the very least, less Shandas fur die Goyim. I remember Lovejoy Mysteries on cable many years ago (about a Rogue of an antique dealer) where they managed to achieve that most of the time, but once when he actually stepped over that line from Rogue to Schmuck, it was very obvious and jarring. And, boy, was their sin a beaut! Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. A psychological assessment is like a burglar alarm. The experience you get here is for a purpose - to give you a better chance at career Those people are depraved. Theyre off stream as of this sermon, once this is over, and then they are going to be Citizens Church over there in Plano. (A lot of men werent like that but it was definitely a pretty high percentage who were) A few women seemed NPD, too. Most UHCL students don't pay the full cost of college on their own. Where people are taught the signs of people they shouldnt trust? I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list!Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. These are open ended questions that are yet to be answered. it was evening, it was getting colder. women spoke their minds as freely as the men. At my former church I came to see that our pastor was a liar. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. And I believe that his decision to spin off the campuses was before some of this started happening. Max: In early 2020 Isaac Wimberleys wife wanted to return to Citizens Church to be restored as a member. You disgust me. Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law. Im glad you were able to recognize it and hopefully endure smear campaigns and abuse if that happened after you left. In my opinion this appears to be a case of marital infidelity involving two consenting adults. Henry Hunter Hall is known for Harriet (2019), Waist Deep (2006) and The Watcher (2022). (its good to have connections, you know). Much of the 21st century church reminds me of lyrics from an old song Living Life Upside Down (by Truth): What if were knocking at the gates of hell We are committed to caring for you. . Do they pass around a bowl of car keys from all present (picking at random selects which wife to swap), or is that too Seventies? Max: Cheap grace has infected the church.New Calvinism has a particularly bad case of it. So I am feeling yet again a gospel goodbye. You might be wondering if this is case of clergy sexual abuse, and on the surface it might appear to be. Perhaps he is too busy raising cattle and selling expensive, but guaranteed, clean steaks. (I remember stories of people growing up in abusive-to-incestuous environments to whom that sort of stuff was NORMAL. Ive known some graduates of a nearby mainline seminary. In a letter dated May 25, 2021, Hunter, who is pastor of the Grace Memorial Church on Chicago's West Side, briefed Pelosi on the murder of his 17-year-old great nephew. Max: some of the most godliest people in church are pew peons. Outside that shes just kind of sitting there in his mind. Prayer Requests The system of a hierarchy with a guy at the top keeping everyone under him in line. They have become Christians at The Village Church. I think that scale is a problem for the senior officers of any hierarchy. ++++++++++++++++. As I read I could seeRead more , "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate.". Wealth addresses orphans & widows, not private planes. He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) If they are saved, then they will definitely lose eternal rewards they could have earned when Christ judges them at the Bema seat. He has a Change.org petition against him returning to ministry!) We dont say, Only the wrong people use headlights., We also dont say, Wouldnt it be nice if I could see where I am driving at night hmm. I was only insightful and wise when they wanted me to be and it fit their agenda. It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. religion, including christianity, is what people make of it. It was during this process that she revealed there was more to the story. They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. Agreement Signature Date. In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. I think NPD and ASPD account for a lot of men I ran across in these circles. The newest of The Village Church's campuses brings the powerful, authentic, gospel-centered ministry of The Village to Plano. And, my board had ongoing assessment while home on furlough. on Swinging Pastors? Emilie Polk. We are committed to caring for you. Those are our people. 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