@Samuel unethical?? Also, consider that younger pitchers may be more receptive to coaching. They lost three of five to Cleveland and lead the Guardians in the American League Central by only one game heading into play Friday. Good luck to you, Wes. When looked at in totality, this is actually a step up. It was updated, @stevep-4. Since the start of the 2019 season, Minnesota pitchers rank 10th in baseball in fWAR (46.8), which is a strong total even factoring in the injuries and performance drop-offs that plagued the Twins during their disappointing 2021 campaign. Cal Ripken and Cooperstown are connected again. Correa said Twins manager Rocco Baldelli at first told him to keep what he learned about Johnson on the down low. 2023 Baseball HOF preview: Downballot candidates try to hold Report: Royals want Greinke to accept inexpensive, incentive Report: Red Sox bring in Alfaro on minor-league deal. How does Johnsons $400K compare to the rest of the league? ", For Smeltzer, the loss is more about personality and communication. As mentioned earlier, the teams pitching was better under Johnson, especially his first two years in Minnesota. Seems weird, because its mid-season MLB, and the odd nature of the hire. Just look to Cora/Hinch/Beltran for examples. But theScore spoke to a number of Twins who said they understood and believed Johnson's reasoning. Lateral or step down doesnt really matter when youre making 500K more a year. He said he preferred to go now and not wait. While a Twins source said pay and resources were not an issue in Johnson leaving, a coach leaving the majors for a college gig does put into question how MLB 1, but Twins fans will pound the table for additional pitching help []. Just would not allow him to walk! When Falvey hired Johnson in the spring of 2019 to be Minnesota's pitching coach, Johnson became the first coach to make a direct college-to-the-majors jump since 1979, according to Baseball America. During that same time, the Twins made more than 2x what all of LSU athletics did (football being the cash cow). Raising Johnsons salary would have set a risky precedent for the Twins and the rest of the league. The latter two are still in middle and high school in Johnson's native Arkansas. EXAMINING LSU BASEBALL'S ROSTER:Examining LSU baseball's 2023 roster: Who is gone? So what? For more information, please read our Legal Disclaimer. I was responding to another person on why this move came mid mlb season. It's my family, two. Both were in disbelief, so Correa walked back to staff's section, specifically to pitching coach Wes Johnson. Hes just really happy for me. Major League pitchers are doing on disabled lists at an epidemic rate. Probably a better package at LSU. Either they made Johnson an offer he couldnt refuse, or they simply gave him a better life. He also writes for Bring Me The News and The Viking Age and hosts The Homer Horn Podcast. In fact, several sources with experience in both the pro and college games said college coaching salaries can be much more lucrative than pro coaching salaries, especially those in the minor leagues. Maki, in fact, was hired by the Twins from Duke University, where he was pitching coach. Major league coaches particularly a hitting or pitching coach generally arent going to jump ship mid-season. He was the mastermind behind the operation. Much more. Despite this, the team has been very supportive with the news having broken. The content on this site is for entertainment and educational purposes only. No one can be sure how things will go now that Johnson is heading down South. The fact that the Tigers have not been to the CWS in 5 years is likely behind a huge spending spree on their coaching staff the last 2 years. The team won the AL Central twice and are currently in first place again. Travis Sawchik is theScore's senior baseball writer. Coaching changes happen all the time during the season in baseball. Johnson didn't have a chance between Sunday's game and flight to properly inform the team before the news leaked. With this in mind, it makes it all the more unusual that Johnson would leave so abruptly The Athletics Dan Hayes reports that the Twins only learned yesterday about Johnsons negotiations with LSU. If Johnson was doing that much and making roughly $400,000 per season, as Hayes reports, theres a chance its the high end of what assistant coaches are being paid. It is flat out ridiculous that a college team can outbid a MLB club for coaching talent. He was initially hired as minor-league pitching coordinator but was promoted to the major-league staff in 2021, replacing Bob McClure. has anyone Certainly 350K is a good amount of money for the average person, but seems light for a lead MLB coaching position, especially considering all the advances in pitching analytics and expectations from pitching coaches today. Managers only have so many options to work with if these guys are unhappy with how theyre handled they can go work someplace else. What do you guys know?' And unlike players, teams dont get six years of control with coaches. I expect that hes burned any bridge back to MLB by leaving a division-leading team mid-season. "I got pretty choked up when I came out and got that hug for the last time. They have the ability to change positions much more often than players do. What Johnson meant to the Twins, and how difficult it will be to replace him under these circumstances, will be seen in the coming weeks as both parties go their separate ways. The hires arent unusual between college and pro, just not usually as high profile. Mlb pitching coaches dont make much. "There is the question of not just listing out things you need to do, it's how you do it, how you talk about it, how a player prefers to be prepared for what he's doing," Baldelli said. Related: MLB trade rumors: Latest MLB rumors in June. Many on board the flight were still unaware of the news when the team landed in Cleveland at 8:30 p.m. Maybe not the best use of public education funds? Nearby, fellow pitcher Devin Smeltzer received a message from one of his college coaches. LOL! While that might not be much, theres also the potential for Johnson to make a lot more money if the teams successful: John Anderson making $225G w/ Gophers after 40+ yrs. Hes done that many times over for us.. LSU historically has a strong college baseball program. If he wanted to go and was denied that opportunity both his attitude and desire would take on a decidedly negative attitude which would affect both his ability to relate to pitchers, position players, fellow coaches, the team manager and the front office. One wonders how much coin hes getting from LSU to consider this move. Falvey, when he was a member of Cleveland's baseball operations department, was one of the first in MLB to attend college coaching clinics in the early 2010s - events like Pitch-A-Palooza, and clinics at the Texas Baseball Ranch. The minimum salary for an MLB player was $570,500 in 2021, while under the new CBA, the minimum salary is now $700,000. Who will step up? It could also play a bigger role as the Twins approach the trade deadline. Johnson traveled with the team on Sunday night to Cleveland, where he will stay on for the five-game series that's scheduled through Thursday, Twins spokesman Dustin Morse said. This Samuel guy knows just enough about baseball that his friends think he knows a lot but everyone else knows differently. Why spend a bunch when youve got fans that are buffoons like yourself. ", "Some of us understand analytics more than others," he said, "but Wes has a way of getting it through to all of us. The Minnesota Twins were supposed to have a jubilant plane ride to Northeast Ohio. A preseason Top 15 team nearly every year, the program has racked up six National Championships, the second most in the country. Lol calling your own comment a clown comment. The Twins, meanwhile, will begin the second half of their season without their talented pitching whisperer, trying to maintain their playoff positioning. Usually, though, coaches are let go, discarded as teams struggle, but Minnesota's a first-place club with an above-average pitching staff that now has to adjust on the fly. Twins starting pitcher Joe Ryan looked at his phone and saw a message on a text thread with his high school and college coach. I never learned this being competitive crap as a victory.. it may sell ticket but.. win World series no they cant even win a post season game or series. It was added later. The team announced bullpen coach Pete Maki will take over Johnson's duties. By the time the plane reached 30,000 feet somewhere over Wisconsin and regained Wi-Fi access, the first-place Twins knew they were losing the innovative coach who'd helped the staff to the 10th-best WAR in the majors since the start of the 2019 season, and to the seventh-best ERA in the majors this season. WebWesley Johnson contract and salary cap details, contract breakdowns, dead money, and news. There are only 30 lead pitching coach positions in the highest. In addition, LSU is a lot closer to home for Johnson and his family. "You don't ever hear anybody on their deathbed going, 'Man, I wish I'd have stuck it out to see if we'd won 101 and not done what's right for my family.'". He connected his phone to the Wi-Fi and opened up Twitter, naturally. If they had matched LSUs offer, which reportedly will pay him $750,000 per season, fans would have been thrilled. All advice, including picks and predictions, is based on individual commentators opinions and not that of Minute Media or its related brands. He was impressed with Johnson's presentations. 6:30PM: In a surprise midseason move, Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the team to return to the college ranks, as D1 Baseballs Kendall Rogers (Twitter link) reports that Johnson has been hired as LSUs new pitching coach. "You can't fault a guy for doing what is best for him and his family. I couldnt leave fast enough. Btw, does putting something up your nose hurt your arm? 750k is nice pay, and thats a storied collegiate program. Perhaps the key challenge is this: The pitching infrastructure will remain in place, and the information will remain the same, but the primary messenger will change. LSU and that money would be hard to turn down. Then of course, theres the money. "What does this person need up here to prepare them to go out there and do their job? June 27: The Twins formally announced this morning that Johnson will depart the organization to accept his new role at LSU. But timing matters. Term sheet for His leadership, insight, creativity, and ability to effectively work across a diverse team were hallmarks of his time with the Minnesota Twins. He was with the Mets quite a long time. With the Twins, and any professional organization, it's more of a collective effort. Then asked seatmate Gio Urshela to read it, too. "What are you going to do?" None of it made sense. The first-place Minnesota Twins are losing their pitching coach Wes Johnson to LSU, where hes set to serve in the same role, according to Baseball America. Id imagine any major position on that staff would be considered a major win. He was seen as one of the better pitching coaches in baseball, and his impact on the Minnesota Twins staff was evident to just about everyone. Not to mention, rookie sensation Joe Ryan is off to a red-hot start, pitching to a 3.00 ERA through 10 starts. Not really a lateral move. But the Twins pitching coach position makes $350,000 a year. However, it may have created an issue within the clubhouse. "Our plan here is to work with the internal group that we have to step into Wes' role.". We start talking a few days in advance, we put together a plan and we execute. And with a 162-game season, plus a couple of months of spring training, Johnson was missing family moments. And you think he wouldnt have that as a big league pitching coach? More pressure. Or Greg Maddux for that matter. It may be a game but its still business. Someoldguy your precisely why mlb owners should all spend less on talent. There must be more to this story. He's a fireball. "I have priorities in my life, and I don't hide those. He said he'll "100%" stay in touch with pitchers and coaches the rest of the season. "By the time I walked back to my seat, the guys are like, 'What were you talking to Rocco about?' An updated look at the Minnesota Twins 2022 payroll table, including base pay, bonuses, options, & tax allocations. Salaries from players who have been placed on the injured list, still counting against the payroll. Leftover salaries from players who have been traded or released, or buyouts for declined options. Proj. Tax Payroll Theres almost no chance a booster is calling the dugout if Johnson wants to send his ace out into the eighth inning. "I sent (the screenshot) to a couple of the other guys, and other guys had just seen it, and it spread like wildfire," Smeltzer said. Johnson has been the Twins pitching coach since he left the University of Arkansas in 2019. Are college kids taught to hit endless foul balls and to get the pitchers out of the game, so that their coaches have the kids put more and more stress on their shoulders / arms / forearms/ and wrists as they have to create more movement to miss bats? 2023 www.theadvertiser.com. I feel like you dont know the meaning of unethical. I think most teams would feel that he quit on his team for 400,000 personal reasons a year. June 26, 11:03PM: Johnson will receive a $380K annual salary from LSU, according to the school, a modest increase over the approximately $350K per year that ACC Freshman of the Year Tommy White, who hit 27 home runs, transfers to LSU baseball, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Why do you think Bret Saberhagen was good in odd years but pretty bad in even ones? Its also interesting hes going to be paid so much more at the college level than he was in the major leagues I have no dog in the hunt and I wish him all the best at LSU except when hes playing the Tennessee Vols. He knows how to handle each guy individually. Perhaps the oddest part, is that the Twins have 89 games left in their season. Johnson was a hit, as the Twins won division titles in 2019 and '20. The fact that major league coaches Uh, free market capitalism and a good lawyer would make that difficult. Im MLB I ban any college from talking to coaches during season. "It was a lot more emotional than I thought it would be," Smeltzer said. But were only about a month off of players moving back for fall ball, and Sept 1 rolling around. 13 in ERA. Twins officials were fond of saying In Wes We Trust regarding his recommendations for reclamation projects and minor-league signings, believing in his ability to tap into unseen value with mechanical and pitch mix changes. The LSU athletic department does not use public funding. They won two division titles in Johnsons first three seasons, and are in a solid position to make another division title run this year. "He's the best pitching coach I've ever had. It comes down to two possible outcomes. dark. "I'm probably a little naive," Falvey told me in 2019. Multiple industry sources said total compensatory package potentially in As they rumbled along to the runway, Morse asked about the rumor. All teams, good or bad have fall ball and recruiting to attend to. Its probably a moot point though. As one of the leaders of the Trackman technology, the Twins believed that Johnson would give them an advantage. Doesnt sound like its known what his status is for the rest of the season. They cant impose sanctions against a college or anything. The term sheet has a $380,000 Wes Johnson is on the charter to Cleveland. But the huge jump in salary would seem to be, if not the definitive factor, at least the major one. Sunday evening, we found out that Minnesota Twins pitching coach, Wes Johnson, was leaving the organization for Louisiana State University. Baldelli told reporters before Thursday's game that "the pitching guys have been doing a lot of talking together over the last four days. His hiring is effective Neal: Winners in Correa deal? Tell that to Steve Carlton or Tom Seaver, after looking at their complete game totals. Report: Brewers, Brian Anderson agree to 1-year, $3.5M deal. 7:17PM: Maki will be promoted and become the Twins new pitching coach, Gleeman and Hayes report (via Twitter). but its believed Bingo. The athletic department is strong, and pretty self-sufficient in all sports. As you know if you followed the CBA negoations this offseason, minimum salaries for major league players was a big source of contention in striking a new deal. If you know how to pitch, you dont need to throw everything at 100mph, and you dont blow out your arm. Angelos says Orioles won't leave Baltimore, then scolds repo 2023 Baseball HOF preview: Best of this year's 'one-and-done Padres sign top international prospect Salas to reported $5. Correa agent Boras puzzled by New York's decision: 'I don't Report: Cubs agree to 2-year, $14M deal with Mancini, Alonso: Mets 'on the brink of something extremely special', Cubs to honor Ryne Sandberg with statue at Wrigley Field. It will take a lot of success to overcome that. More money, better job security, sometimes state pensions its a no-brainer. If you dont know the difference theres no point in arguing with anyone here about it. But it doesnt make it right. Smeltzer said Johnson was good at communicating complex data from the front office in easy-to-digest ways. Now the staff will have to look to assistant pitching coach Pete Maki, whos set to take over for Johnson. The university of Wisconsin got rid of baseball in the early 90s because it was too expensive. "I'm never going to get those out of whack.". It also explains how colleges provide additional revenue streams aside from the base salary (which Sarris and Buchanan say is $388,000 for LSU) to make the overall package richer than what is publicly reported by the schools. If this is unethical what would you call pitching in the 1990s and earlier? "We have hired, in my opinion, the best pitching coach in the country at any level," LSU coach Jay Johnson said in a school release Monday. Johnson has Theres also a quality-of-life issue, as coaches with big time college programs do much less travel, particularly during the season, than MLB coaches do, and thus get to spend many more nights at home with their families. Lets examine Johnsons current role on the Twins. Johnson, in his southern accent, told the team his priorities were God, his family, and baseball - and that his priorities had gotten out of order. If Johnson was doing that much and making roughly $400,000 per season, as Hayes reports, theres a chance its the high end of what assistant coaches are being What does it say about the Twins that LSU would pay him DOUBLE what a Major League Team will pay? The news was unexpected and, really, pretty strange. 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SoxFan24: Yeah, that surprised me. While the offseason is likely filled with recruiting trips and watching some of his own players play in summer leagues, it doesnt match the 162-game grind of an MLB season. It doesnt make this a normal situation, and it has the Twins looking for a new pitching coach. Most of these guys cant get through half a game and your talking unethical? Shorter season, 1/3ish the amount of games, less travel, etc etc, I can easily see why youd leave mlb back for college if the money is close (or more). MLB teams operate with a long-term view, which could limit what Johnson truly wants to do with his staff. He also receives an $800 per month vehicle allowance and a $25,000 relocation incentive. Instead, Johnson will make near the same money ($380K/yr + incentives) with his new collegiate employer, as what he was making with the Twins. And manager Rocco Baldelli made no secret about the outsized role Johnson played relative to some other MLB pitching coaches, often deferring to Johnson on day-to-day pitching questions, not unlike an offensive-minded football coach handing the keys to the defense over to a defensive coordinator. Good for him, man. The fact that major league coaches make a fraction of what even the lowest-paid major league player makes speaks volumes to me at least about how major league organizations value coaches. They also have the seventh-most College World Series appearances. Minnesota Twins: 4 Twins who should be ditched by the All-Star Break. He became known as the "czar of velocity" when he helped make the little-known Dallas Baptist program relevant on the college baseball scene. Players were shocked. Twins, their players, Correa. You make a lot of sense! Please login to leave a reply. Thats pretty normal. 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